alright, thanks. We just swiched over to vbulletin 3 days ago, no worries. I saw what you were saying how they eliminated a big chunk of the css to a more pre coded library. Let meknow if you need any help or a forum to do test with, we have 380 members and growing and last meet we had everyone is excited for a garage(The main reason why we swiched). Thanks for the awesome support@!